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Friendship is Fickle by HareTrinity Friendship is Fickle by HareTrinity
Did most of this a week ago as practice. Picture will be moved to Scraps. It was wonky from the lines and I'd really have to start again to fix it all. There's a comic to go with it that sadly didn't come out much better: [link]

Starting to feel like I'm the only DAer who didn't like One Bad Apple. To be honest I enjoyed most of it, despite how clichéd it was, but not the ending. Not the ending at ALL.

Babs spent her whole visit hanging out with Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon, at the very least pretending to be their friend. The episode ended with her scaring them into mud even though, as far as we know, they'd been good friends to Babs: They shared their little rump-bump with her, they hung out with her for the visit, and unless they'd taken up train spotting it seems that they came to the station to say goodbye to her.

I'm not saying DT & SS aren't stuck-up little so-and-sos, and I know know lots of people wanted to see them dunked in mud, but they didn't deserve it from someone they thought was their friend.

I was bullied by my friends in school and it was horrible. NO ONE deserves that. And YES, I know it's possible that DT & SS didn't really like Babs, but WE DON'T KNOW THAT, and even if they didn't there's still no excuse for Babs turning on them so suddenly, ESPECIALLY given the episode's messages. I think it's in most ways worse than what Babs did to the CMC at the start because at that point (a) she hadn't really spent time with the CMC and (b) she apparently didn't know any better.

Ironically enough, one thing I DID learn from being bullied is that a bully's friends often have greater influence over them than adults, and if one of the bully's friends vouches for you then the bully themselves will probably back off. This was the perfect time for Babs to be honest with DT & SS instead of turning straight to intimidation tactics. That or for the CMC to question DT & SS on their motives (which could have had a stuck-up response and ended up with DT & SS accidentally storming off the platform all by themselves).

Instead, moments after we'd been told that bullies are people too, we had two little kids being portrayed as acceptable targets with no signs of it being deliberate irony.

You do not have to dislike the episode. I'm not trying to ruin it for you. I just personally have problems with how the ending was handled and hope other people can understand my points.

And I guess if you're a Babs fan then here's a pic with her drinking milkshake. Yay.
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2014
The story did end on a double standard. 
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HareTrinity Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Just a tad. :hmm:
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Dylgo Featured By Owner Edited Sep 7, 2014
well, think about it from bab's point of view. you do bring up good points. But think about it, Babs had been bullied just as badly as the CMC has. she had the chance to avoid it and she took it at the cost of those who really wanted to be her friend. when the CMC saved her from their own trap, she saw how wrong she was in doing so. and considering how often DT and SS have taken advantage of others in the past, it's not really that far a stretch to think they'd do that. and from Bab's point of view, DT and SS wouldn't have made the effort. scaring them is questionable, but thinking about it from her point of view, I really can't blame her.

and, for the record, I was bullied for 13 years myself by just about everyone but my family. I've felt every kind of pain bullying can produce. I've even considered suicide in the past. (but those thoughts are WAY behind me now) but the thing is, scaring them the way she did pales in comparison to what DT and SS did to many others. what they said to Scootaloo in the episode where they were auditioning for that part of the Equestria games being case in point. what they said put Scootaloo through some very serious mental pain that almost ended everything her and her friends had worked so hard to achieve, including their friendship.

Now, no. I'm not saying stooping to their level is a good thing. But, like my dad would always tell me, there's an exception to every rule. after everything DT and SS had put the CMC through and everything they had convinced Babs to do to them under what is, in her view, were false pretenses I honestly can't blame Babs.

Just my opinion though.
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HareTrinity Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
From what we saw, the bullying Babs put the CMC through far exceeded anything DT & SS had done before, as she stalked them and even got physical. She was bullying Apple Bloom in her own home. If anything, in context it seems more like DT & SS escalated after Babs showed them how.

I was bullied and had suicidal thoughts too, I even started having breakdowns in my early teens, but among the most emotionally painful bullying I had was when my best friend at the time decided she'd rather be popular and joined in with them. Babs turning on the CMC shortly after meeting them didn't take me back to that, but Babs turning on DT & SS so coldly after spending most of her visit with them? That did. Probably didn't help that Apple Bloom has 3+ close friends (I'm including Twist), whereas DT seems to have just the 1, so DT looks a lot lonelier to me even if she doesn't show it.

Also, in terms of writing it seems sloppy to have a "bullies are not acceptable targets" ep than ends on the punchline of bullies being acceptable targets, not to mention showing a character's reformed by having her again show her allegiance by acting aggressively towards the other group.

These days I often find myself wondering if we too often teach kids that they need to "defeat" their bullies. Maybe some people won't stop any other way, but I learnt first hand in school that sometimes being nice to bullies meant they'd be nicer to me, sometimes even getting their friends to lay off a little. For all the theories I've heard on bullies, I wonder how many are just bored or getting carried away, or could be reigned in by non-bully friends. Maybe encouraging more of a team mentality would help matters better than telling victims not to fight back (ugh, ego-killer) and having teachers tell bullies not to bully (I've never seen that work).
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Yonderness Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow, I completely understand your view on that episode. I actually had the same thoughts about it but you worded them perfectly. 

Diamond Tiara always bugged me, because we never get to see her being nice! Bullies are rarely so mean that they have no friends, and she has a great friend! (Silver Spoon.) They probably do lots together and are completely nice! I also always disliked the "mean rich kid" stereotype. MLP (the show) was doing a great job of not stereotyping, until Diamond Tiara. 
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HareTrinity Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Aye, it would be nice if they fleshed her out a bit more. At least Twilight Time did it a little?

And yay for shared dislikes! :) It's nice to know other people understand what I mean!
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Yonderness Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I actually didn't start watching MLP untill the end of this past summer, and so I have been using Netflix and am only at the end of Season three. So I haven't seen that one yet :D
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HareTrinity Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, okay. :)
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Lost-Our-Dreams Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Student Digital Artist
now that I think about it, you're totally right o-o That was really mean of Babs to just suddenly turn on them. Even though they were bullies, they were still her friends. Rather than just turning on them because they were mean to her other friends, the episode's meaning could have been so much better if she tried to get them to all be friends. Rather than teaching a lesson not to bully others, it would also teach a way more useful lesson of how to deal with split friends. A lot of people get torn between having cool friends, and being friends with the 'nerdy' people. The episode could have been way better if Babs, someone who understood both of the groups of friends, tried to get them to understand each other, so that they could all be friends. That would have been way better
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HareTrinity Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly what I was try to say! I hadn't thought about it for "cool"/"uncool" friend groups angle, but you're right that it would have shown that too.
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